[00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.980] And we got the wind, so hopefully we're getting this [00:00:05.980 --> 00:00:16.000] And the only way I'm gonna know is if it flashes off [00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:21.060] And right now I can't tell what the fuck it's doing [00:00:21.060 --> 00:00:27.180] There we go. So let's record. All right, let me get those prompts up [00:00:30.540 --> 00:00:34.820] The prompts, the prompts, hook me up the prompts [00:00:34.820 --> 00:00:39.420] So [00:00:39.420 --> 00:00:42.740] First prompt of set four is [00:00:42.740 --> 00:00:51.080] A barely but here episode the title is the cup. I didn't finish [00:00:51.080 --> 00:00:59.060] The prompts are was there a moment where [00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:02.300] Even finishing something simple [00:01:02.300 --> 00:01:09.720] Like a cup of coffee felt impossible [00:01:09.720 --> 00:01:15.320] What were the thoughts sleeping in your mind at the time [00:01:15.320 --> 00:01:23.960] Did you notice what stopped you or did it just slip away [00:01:26.160 --> 00:01:34.600] What made you realize you were still here anyway, was there okay, so first question. Was there a moment? [00:01:34.600 --> 00:01:41.060] We're finishing something like cup of coffee. Yeah [00:01:41.060 --> 00:01:46.640] My Answers. Yes, okay, let me think of an example of a time [00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:54.560] Yes, okay, so I actually had a coffee example happen and [00:01:57.160 --> 00:01:59.160] What [00:01:59.160 --> 00:02:01.160] What happened was [00:02:01.160 --> 00:02:04.160] I was at a coffee shop I [00:02:04.160 --> 00:02:06.720] Had been there [00:02:06.720 --> 00:02:10.480] maybe hour and a half two hours and [00:02:10.480 --> 00:02:14.440] I [00:02:14.440 --> 00:02:16.440] Maybe it was the coffee [00:02:16.440 --> 00:02:24.160] In combination with just what's going on in my mind and my body, but I felt this really [00:02:26.440 --> 00:02:28.440] You know [00:02:28.440 --> 00:02:30.640] Just this energy that [00:02:30.640 --> 00:02:34.040] Didn't want me [00:02:34.040 --> 00:02:38.680] Like didn't want me there it wanted me to leave and [00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:48.440] And I was confused cuz like I wanted to be there [00:02:48.440 --> 00:02:51.360] But there's this part of me [00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:54.200] telling me [00:02:54.440 --> 00:02:56.840] that I should get out of there and [00:02:56.840 --> 00:03:02.240] For the life of me and I had the hardest time [00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:07.160] Figuring out [00:03:07.160 --> 00:03:13.920] Why I went against the usual rhythm of things and [00:03:20.160 --> 00:03:27.240] Not clear if it was fear at a base level driving that or if it was [00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:31.840] Some other [00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:38.040] Manifestation, but my hunch is that fear was driving that [00:03:38.040 --> 00:03:42.520] The thoughts at the mind at the time was [00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:45.520] Let's get out of here [00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:48.360] But I looked at my coffee cup and it was still [00:03:49.320 --> 00:03:51.320] pretty full [00:03:51.320 --> 00:03:53.520] Maybe half full [00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:55.720] So I felt [00:03:55.720 --> 00:03:58.480] Like oh, I should stay [00:03:58.480 --> 00:04:03.520] But then that feeling said nope, you better get out of here. Let's get out of here [00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:06.440] And like I said, I don't know [00:04:06.440 --> 00:04:09.360] What the hell was driving that? [00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:16.280] At that time, but that was definitely the loop that was going on [00:04:19.440 --> 00:04:21.440] The next one is [00:04:21.440 --> 00:04:23.840] Did you notice? [00:04:23.840 --> 00:04:28.280] What stopped you or did it just slip away? [00:04:28.280 --> 00:04:34.800] I [00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:42.200] Actually went ahead and left the coffee shop. I did not [00:04:42.200 --> 00:04:49.240] Stay so I'm unsure how to read that prompt if I got stopped [00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:58.120] Or did just let it slip away is that meaning finishing my coffee cup or a cup of coffee because I did not do that [00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:02.360] I didn't finish my cup. I left and [00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:06.560] And [00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:09.400] In that moment answers the last prompt [00:05:09.400 --> 00:05:18.200] What made me realize is in that moment I went against normal habits and behavior I went against the green [00:05:19.320 --> 00:05:21.320] And I felt like I had [00:05:21.320 --> 00:05:28.840] Agency like I could make a decision and change my mind if I wanted to it wasn't that big of a deal [00:05:28.840 --> 00:05:38.880] Okay, next set of prompts holding on anyway episode [00:05:38.880 --> 00:05:45.320] Surviving the quote you should be over this phase [00:05:48.840 --> 00:05:50.840] So here are the prompts [00:05:50.840 --> 00:05:56.960] When people around you expected you to feel better. How did that feel? [00:05:56.960 --> 00:06:02.200] Next one. Did you try to perform recovery for others? [00:06:02.200 --> 00:06:13.880] Number three, what does it feel like when your pain outlasts other people's patience? Oh, that's a hard one [00:06:13.880 --> 00:06:17.720] How did you stay alive through that part? [00:06:18.840 --> 00:06:22.240] I almost want to say I'll be goddamn, if I know [00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:28.960] But really I will answer these best I can but these are some heavies [00:06:28.960 --> 00:06:31.560] Okay [00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:36.800] When people around me expect me to feel better. How did that feel? [00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:39.640] You know, it was [00:06:39.640 --> 00:06:48.040] It added to the already heavy load I was carrying [00:06:48.440 --> 00:06:50.440] because I [00:06:50.440 --> 00:06:56.440] Felt deficient in that I couldn't I [00:06:56.440 --> 00:07:00.320] Couldn't [00:07:00.320 --> 00:07:08.440] Get where they wanted me to be and that was disappointing them and [00:07:08.440 --> 00:07:13.040] Because of [00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:22.960] In core beliefs of not being good enough. I have a terrible habit of putting other people before me and [00:07:22.960 --> 00:07:29.120] Well, basically sacrifice my well-being to make others happy [00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:35.960] So when other people around me expect me to feel better, but I don't feel better [00:07:35.960 --> 00:07:38.840] It's as if it triggers some [00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:45.240] Deep need and me to make things right and want to [00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:48.800] You know [00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:53.600] please them or make it the way they want and that just adds a [00:07:53.600 --> 00:08:01.360] New gigantic level of stress and anxiety and fear on top of [00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:06.520] What you are already feeling and not feeling good enough about so [00:08:07.320 --> 00:08:11.700] It's you know, it's a robust. It's the snake eating its tail [00:08:11.700 --> 00:08:16.400] You know here. I am doing something that is in [00:08:16.400 --> 00:08:20.800] direct opposition of where I want to get to [00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:23.720] You know [00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:31.960] This the fake it or make it paradigm does not work when you have depression you can't fake happiness and [00:08:31.960 --> 00:08:35.080] Expected to just show up [00:08:35.560 --> 00:08:37.560] Doesn't work like that [00:08:37.560 --> 00:08:40.040] Next problem [00:08:40.040 --> 00:08:48.400] Did you try to perform recovery for others if by that you mean did I bust my ass trying to? [00:08:48.400 --> 00:08:53.560] You know pretend that I was okay. Yes [00:08:53.560 --> 00:08:59.920] And that was exhausting, you know that required [00:08:59.920 --> 00:09:04.040] levels of masking that are [00:09:04.680 --> 00:09:06.680] worthy of an Academy Award [00:09:06.680 --> 00:09:12.880] Really huge efforts of [00:09:12.880 --> 00:09:20.960] Mental emotional power is required to navigate those [00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:24.080] spaces and places [00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:31.160] So the third prompt says what does it feel like when you're paying out last other people's patients? [00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:36.520] And this I've lived and they become [00:09:36.520 --> 00:09:42.240] Very impatient, you know, why don't you just cheer up? [00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:49.680] Think about positive things, you know, remember good memories things like that and [00:09:49.680 --> 00:09:57.720] Again, I can meditate on those but it just because I focus on that doesn't flip a switch inside me [00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:01.520] I'll still be in that place where I'm stewing over [00:10:01.520 --> 00:10:05.080] You know, just bullshit, so [00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:08.840] Yeah [00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:15.560] So yeah, when it when it when my pain out lasts their patients [00:10:15.560 --> 00:10:23.640] Like it it like ties into the thing. I just said which is I suddenly feel like I've let other people down [00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:28.160] Because I could not get myself to where they wanted me to be [00:10:28.160 --> 00:10:32.120] to be better to be happy that kind of vibe, but [00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:34.840] was not [00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:36.840] going to happen and [00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:41.160] You know, that's how it rolls sometimes [00:10:41.160 --> 00:10:45.240] One thing I have learned [00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:49.560] Big time from this entire experience is acceptance [00:10:50.560 --> 00:10:53.760] I was someone who always fought against the waves [00:10:53.760 --> 00:10:59.800] Instead of surfing them and going with the flow [00:10:59.800 --> 00:11:03.480] Which is what I aim for now [00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:13.600] So when my pain outlast the people's patients, I would feel bad. I would beat myself up. I would [00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:17.480] trigger [00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:18.960] the [00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:24.080] Hard core critic inside of me that would just chew my ass out [00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:33.120] Making me feel even worse if I didn't have awareness that the voice and the depression were in control [00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:37.920] That evil voice drove the bus [00:11:37.920 --> 00:11:40.840] It drove it everywhere [00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:44.240] And when you're tired [00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:49.000] From masking and pretending you're okay [00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:58.360] It's hard to fight the inside battle when you're trying to present [00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:04.660] To the world a person that has little to no problems [00:12:04.660 --> 00:12:10.320] So you might win the battle on the outside [00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:13.680] But you lose the battle on the inside [00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:20.880] Because I honestly, I don't know if there's a person on this planet that could pull off both [00:12:20.880 --> 00:12:24.720] I am very skilled at [00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:32.840] masking and people pleasing but there are times the depression will outlast [00:12:32.840 --> 00:12:36.520] everyone's wishes and desires and [00:12:36.520 --> 00:12:43.080] You'll end up in a space in a place that's not good [00:12:43.880 --> 00:12:46.120] For you or everyone around you [00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:52.760] And the last question [00:12:52.760 --> 00:12:55.720] prompt on this [00:12:55.720 --> 00:13:01.280] Episode of holding on anyway, how did you stay alive through that part? [00:13:01.280 --> 00:13:06.560] I cried a lot I [00:13:06.560 --> 00:13:11.760] Spent the better part [00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:15.240] Of a year and a half [00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:19.200] Grinding my mind over this [00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:28.840] The idea of willing being willing to let go of pleasing others [00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:34.400] Letting go of a destination [00:13:34.400 --> 00:13:42.440] Which sets up expectation and unmet expectations [00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:47.080] Will trigger disappointment, so you don't even go there [00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:50.240] and [00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:58.520] Like I said before I've learned to go with the flow so by letting these things go it's allowed me to move [00:13:58.520 --> 00:14:01.800] through both [00:14:01.800 --> 00:14:03.880] my depression and [00:14:03.880 --> 00:14:09.160] On a bigger stage it helps me move better throughout the world [00:14:10.560 --> 00:14:13.160] Because things that previously would trigger me [00:14:13.160 --> 00:14:17.080] actions or deeds of others [00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:20.760] No longer have that power over me [00:14:20.760 --> 00:14:24.320] so there is a sense of liberation and [00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:27.400] I [00:14:27.400 --> 00:14:29.400] have to say there were [00:14:29.400 --> 00:14:32.880] bits and pieces it's like [00:14:32.880 --> 00:14:40.240] leaving crumbs in a trail and I kept finding one crumb after another and [00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:44.840] using that metaphor as as the experience of [00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:53.880] Basically staying alive to the point where I'm putting these words into a recording and [00:14:53.880 --> 00:14:57.080] Hopefully [00:14:57.080 --> 00:15:00.240] They'll show up and help somebody [00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.920] and [00:15:03.920 --> 00:15:09.680] So having those breadcrumbs a little bit over time [00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:16.560] slowly very slowly gave me these little glimpses of [00:15:16.560 --> 00:15:19.680] possibility and [00:15:19.680 --> 00:15:21.720] what could happen if [00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:26.680] XYZ, you know, whatever I might be doing at the moment [00:15:26.680 --> 00:15:34.400] So for example if I would catch myself [00:15:36.400 --> 00:15:40.200] I'd catch the the critic the voice beating me up and [00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:47.240] I'd suddenly have that snap of clarity and cat and realize I'm doing it again and [00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:51.600] Doing it once great, but then [00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:55.960] Let's say you do it again. You do it a few times [00:15:55.960 --> 00:15:59.600] You know in the same day [00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:04.520] You know, that's that becomes a new thing, right? That is [00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:09.000] Progress, that's [00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:12.360] Seeing yourself [00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:21.840] Getting better and understanding your [00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:25.640] Disease much much more [00:16:25.640 --> 00:16:28.840] and [00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:31.320] You're getting far more in tune with yourself [00:16:36.400 --> 00:16:42.080] That's the end of the holding on anyway [00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:45.560] The next one I have here [00:16:45.560 --> 00:16:49.560] Is called the reflections [00:16:49.560 --> 00:16:54.800] The grief of becoming someone new [00:16:54.800 --> 00:16:58.400] Wow, that is a killer title [00:16:58.400 --> 00:17:04.000] That right there. I read that title. I've lived that I [00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:07.440] Am living it right this moment [00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:17.640] Here are the prompts healing changes us sometimes faster than we can accept thank you [00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:25.520] What parts of you got left behind in recovery [00:17:25.520 --> 00:17:30.640] Do you ever mourn [00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:36.000] Your old self even this they were hurting [00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:46.120] And the last bullet is what's something you've learned to love about who you are now [00:17:46.120 --> 00:17:50.160] Some heavy shit [00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:59.720] Parts of me got left behind I read that question in [00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:03.280] the abstract sort of metaphorically because [00:18:03.280 --> 00:18:06.320] You know none of this [00:18:06.320 --> 00:18:09.280] Gets left behind [00:18:09.280 --> 00:18:11.920] It's all part of the bigger experience [00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:19.440] What I will say is I will interpret your question as [00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:22.880] What parts of you? [00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:25.440] Did you gain awareness? [00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:34.240] Around and you were able to change course or at least [00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:37.480] have the option of [00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:44.560] Making a choice rather than being on autopilot, and I think that's a very important distinction [00:18:44.560 --> 00:18:47.520] and [00:18:47.520 --> 00:18:50.040] Maybe it's just because I've lived this [00:18:50.040 --> 00:18:52.880] But that is very real [00:18:55.280 --> 00:19:03.640] So I don't think anything gets left behind in recovery because if you did you wouldn't have any lessons or scars [00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:06.480] to show for [00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:08.600] What you've been through [00:19:08.600 --> 00:19:15.520] Right, it's the wounds you have your wounds they're healed, but you still have them you don't get to leave them behind [00:19:15.520 --> 00:19:20.200] And you don't leave the stories behind or the experience behind [00:19:21.600 --> 00:19:24.000] maybe what you do leave behind is [00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:28.440] At least a little bit is your [00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:34.520] defenselessness [00:19:34.520 --> 00:19:37.400] Against [00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:40.640] The depressive tide that can take over your day [00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:46.320] And I've lived to this I've been able to turn a day around [00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:53.160] one that I knew was going to be dark and I was able to level it off and [00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:56.440] Not get so dark [00:19:56.440 --> 00:19:59.120] But on the other side [00:19:59.120 --> 00:20:08.440] Yesterday was a horrible day. I got to the point where I just could not function. I was not [00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:14.200] Worth it worth the time. That's how I'll put it [00:20:17.040 --> 00:20:19.040] Back to the prompt [00:20:19.040 --> 00:20:27.560] Do you ever mourn your old self even if they were hurting, you know, that's a great prompt I [00:20:27.560 --> 00:20:30.400] do mourn [00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:32.760] for myself at [00:20:32.760 --> 00:20:37.160] that time in my life because I lacked presence I [00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:40.080] lacked [00:20:40.080 --> 00:20:42.080] experience and awareness of [00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:46.720] the entirety of [00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:50.400] what was running [00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:54.120] My show or as I like to say who's driving the bus [00:20:54.120 --> 00:20:59.200] and [00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:09.760] Because in mourning my old self I realized if I had awareness at those times in my life [00:21:09.760 --> 00:21:12.800] My life would have taken a different course [00:21:14.320 --> 00:21:17.920] For sure, I would certainly not be where I am now [00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:21.600] And yeah [00:21:21.600 --> 00:21:25.120] So [00:21:25.120 --> 00:21:27.120] Maybe I mourn that a little [00:21:27.120 --> 00:21:34.640] But then again, like I said, then I'm not where I am now which it would in some sense would be a bummer as well [00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:48.880] Do I ever mourn my old self? Yeah, so I think that kind of touches on everything about mourning [00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:53.240] My old self or let's say mourning my old life [00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:59.480] I can share that there was a period of about three months [00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:03.140] Where I was on the east coast and every day I [00:22:03.140 --> 00:22:05.840] walked [00:22:06.320 --> 00:22:12.200] For just over an hour and I walked a little over three point one four miles [00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:16.620] Which is pie and I did this walk [00:22:16.620 --> 00:22:20.040] every day for [00:22:20.040 --> 00:22:22.600] the three months and [00:22:22.600 --> 00:22:25.520] on those walks I [00:22:25.520 --> 00:22:28.400] cried [00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:33.040] Buckets of tears for my old life and [00:22:35.160 --> 00:22:39.640] For the old self and all the herding [00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:52.840] Let's see last prompt and this is awesome because I got a great reply for it [00:22:52.840 --> 00:22:56.280] I'm way for the airplane to pass [00:22:56.280 --> 00:23:03.860] Walking around a pond that's not too far from an airfield [00:23:05.940 --> 00:23:07.940] Oh [00:23:07.940 --> 00:23:14.540] So what's something you've learned to love about who you are now and [00:23:14.540 --> 00:23:20.340] I'll share this one experience, and I think this fits the bill [00:23:20.340 --> 00:23:23.460] last weekend [00:23:23.460 --> 00:23:29.200] so about a week ago I was in deep meditation and I [00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:31.960] was [00:23:33.120 --> 00:23:38.760] Touching apart and let me repeat that so I was in deep meditation and I [00:23:38.760 --> 00:23:49.760] Was able to bring an old part of myself [00:23:49.760 --> 00:23:53.600] forward [00:23:53.600 --> 00:24:00.920] Someone from very long time ago and that would be [00:24:03.120 --> 00:24:05.120] the kinder gardener I was [00:24:05.120 --> 00:24:11.640] or first grader at five or six years old and that little guy [00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:15.680] Took not only [00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.920] The psychological and emotional [00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:22.040] wrath [00:24:22.040 --> 00:24:24.040] but also [00:24:24.040 --> 00:24:27.400] some physical stuff and [00:24:30.320 --> 00:24:34.600] in bringing that part of myself forward I [00:24:34.600 --> 00:24:39.800] Was actually able [00:24:39.800 --> 00:24:42.920] to bring that part of me [00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:51.880] into my heart as if I were giving that little guy a hug and [00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:55.800] thanking him [00:24:55.800 --> 00:24:58.640] Making it through [00:25:00.320 --> 00:25:08.240] Without him, I'm not here. There's no life [00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:17.080] And me that little man was so brave I just I just I'm so [00:25:17.080 --> 00:25:19.600] admire [00:25:19.600 --> 00:25:21.600] him and [00:25:21.600 --> 00:25:29.240] From that admiration comes love so I love that little guy [00:25:30.320 --> 00:25:31.800] and [00:25:31.800 --> 00:25:34.400] Then you realize the little guy is you [00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:40.600] And [00:25:40.600 --> 00:25:45.960] That's pretty powerful goddamn evidence that you love yourself [00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:51.120] And in that moment last week [00:25:51.120 --> 00:25:54.240] It was powerful [00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.960] It shook me pretty hard [00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:00.040] and [00:26:00.040 --> 00:26:01.640] I [00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:03.640] Think I cried for [00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:08.880] Good 10 15 minutes after that [00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:15.160] and really just sat still and just let it all sink in [00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:17.920] What was pretty heavy-duty? [00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:25.920] So [00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:27.960] Yeah [00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:31.400] Something I've learned to love about myself is the little me [00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:35.360] Tough little bastard that made it through [00:26:35.360 --> 00:26:42.600] Okay, that's it. I was heavy man. I'm crying [00:26:42.600 --> 00:26:52.280] Still hit me all right peace out [00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.000] You